2026-10-28 11:32 UTC
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@jab01701mid@mastodon.social 2026-10-28 11:45
@Tutanota@mastodon.social @pyratebeard@harbour.cafe Thank you for the very clear response. It's about what I'd expect to hear from a senior tech leader at my own company. For many reasons, I want to 100% avoid software whose developers are using, or are forced to use, "frontier AI coding tools". I may go on and list a few reasons just to be clear...
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@M0YNG@mastodon.radio 2026-10-29 23:00
@Tutanota@mastodon.social @jab01701mid@mastodon.social @pyratebeard@harbour.cafe here's a con for your list: I've been paying for tuta since 2018, currently I'm on "Legend" with two users and the renewal is in less than three weeks. I'm now seriously considering not renewing at all. €192 is quite as lot for just email and I don't want my renewal to suggest I support so-called-ai in any way.
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@electrodnd21@todon.nl 2026-10-30 00:27
@Tutanota@mastodon.social @jab01701mid@mastodon.social @pyratebeard@harbour.cafe Ufffffff AI in tutamail?????
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@Microplastics101@mstdn.social 2026-10-30 02:38
@Tutanota@mastodon.social @jab01701mid@mastodon.social @pyratebeard@harbour.cafe You just made it very easy to decide Tuta is dead to me. Move fast and break things. Yep. you broke the only value you had. Trust
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@OliviaVespera@spacey.space 2026-10-30 03:16
@Tutanota@mastodon.social @jab01701mid@mastodon.social @pyratebeard@harbour.cafe Hi there Tuta, I feel LLMs are unescapable and I don't want it to be the case. I would be disappointed in Tuta if it continued to allow using LLMs. I understand the desire to move faster, but that speed is relative. Who are you comparing yourself to? I would much rather have the confidence in Tuta that its people don't benefit from the use of a tool based on theft of artists, writers and coders I like and admire. is that something that makes sense?
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@tkissing@mastodon.social 2026-10-30 09:24
@Tutanota@mastodon.social It could very well be that turning on some really big electromagnets next to your server racks flips just the right bits to make the software better. Give it a try. You don't want to get left behind on this!
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@mlanger@mastodon.world 2026-10-30 11:46
@Tutanota@mastodon.social @jab01701mid@mastodon.social @pyratebeard@harbour.cafe Oh, so you mean all I need to do is get myself some good AI tools and I can build a bigger company than Google? 🙄
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@bnuuy@mathstodon.xyz 2026-10-30 12:54
@Tutanota@mastodon.social @jab01701mid@mastodon.social @pyratebeard@harbour.cafe i would implore you to stick to 100% without AI. email, especially with the emphasis on privacy and strong encryption that you are going for, is security-relevant. that means, not just is it a risk that these models give you probabilistic output that may need extensive checking before it should ever go into anything important (entirely negating the speed benefits), but that there is also incentive for secret services to approach AI vendors to use any trust you are placing in the output (including AI code reviews) to sneak backdoors in. the latter tends to get overlooked in discussions, since most people are focussed on other aspects like the massive resource use, the essentially illegally obtained training data, and the practical suitability of LLM output for incorporating in software development. also note that we keep seeing people (including some otherwise very knowledgable and talented people) who use LLMs experiencing increasing lapses in judgement; i have a pinned post on my profile coining the term "lyssanetic" for this property, but i've also seen the phrase "vibe sickness" floating around for this, which is probably the easier terminology. for i think obvious reasons, i would really prefer not having to worry about this affecting people on the tuta team. i would generally strongly prefer for tech companies to move slower, but more deliberate these days, according to the credo "move slow and fix things" (an inversion of facebooks now metas "move fast and break things"). i don't need new features faster, i need things that work well and reliably. the fact that you are currently still standing at ca. 99% means you can still relatively cleanly turn back.
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@FredricT@mastodon.opportunis.me 2026-10-30 00:32
@Tutanota@mastodon.social @jab01701mid@mastodon.social @pyratebeard@harbour.cafe I was looking for a Proton replacement, thanks for saving me the trouble to join a other AI-crap company
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@b@mrrp.place 2026-10-30 17:21
@Tutanota@mastodon.social as someone who's been a paying tuta user for ~1.5 years and who's recommended it to countless others (and who is also a software developer), i would like to caution you: there's a very large risk that your developers feel more productive, but in actuality aren't getting much more work done at all. there have been multiple studies about this: study 1, study 2. even anthropic themselves (who are very biased!) found that using AI caused a "statistically significant decrease in mastery" when learning a new skill, while not producing a statistically significant speedup. so i question the idea that ai use could allow your engineers to implement features they otherwise wouldn't have time for; the science certainly does not support such a claim i'd like to ask that you also heavily consider the environmental/ethical implications of AI use. the technology (both training and inference!) is responsible for a massive increase in nonrenewable energy use, which is accelerating the climate crisis and significantly worsening pollution in communities near data centers. this seems to really go against your focus on sustainability; using AI to develop tuta doesn't seem like "put[ting] ethics before profits". there's also the issue of stolen training data - companies have taken the work of open source developers, authors, artists, etc and used it to build a system with the goal of replacing those very people's jobs, concentrating all the wealth generated from their work into a couple massive tech companies instead of a bunch of individuals. i appreciate you discussing this in the open, and i'm sorry that a ton of people are overreacting to this (although i can somewhat understand why they are). i really hope that you decide not to use AI in tuta development; tuta is a product i really care about and i don't want to see it worsen in quality/contribute to the climate crisis/become reliant on big tech companies. i honestly think you could win a lot of customers over by leaning on how your product is "ai-free" in your advertising :)
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@NE555@mastodon.social 2026-10-31 14:53
@Tutanota@mastodon.social @jab01701mid@mastodon.social @pyratebeard@harbour.cafe that’s unfortunate that you seem to use LLMs in the creation of your services. That’s a no go for me to pay for such a critical service. I wanted to jump ship from @protonprivacy@mastodon.social but seems like Tuta isn’t an alternative :(
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@eestileib@tech.lgbt 2026-10-30 05:56
@Tutanota@mastodon.social @jab01701mid@mastodon.social @pyratebeard@harbour.cafe I care more about the confidentiality of my correspondence than having a really rich feature suite, but I would also love to have tuta drive up and running. I don't believe that sustained LLM usage is compatible with software quality, so I guess I'm happy to keep paying my subscription and wait a bit longer for drive.