@bigzaphod ah ok. i ended up working at our city's first ISP because of someone i met on the local bbses. lol. i had fun thru it all, but all of us who worked there were stoner bananas. :) his gf at the time became my bff and we're still bffs all these million years later (and we both ended up in this town 2k from our hometown). we ARE old, aren't we?