Fifth speaker is a Ukrainian deserter living in Germany, Andrej Konovalov, who talks about his insane experience of seeing fellow deserters deported back to Ukraine whilst having MPs from Germany's, at the time, leading Green party, telling him how unified Ukraine is. https://postsovietleft.org/de/2025/06/26/andrej-konovalov-eine-prinzipientreue-haltung-ist-immer-und-uberall-angebracht/ He cites surveys showing how ⅔ of Ukraine wishes for the government to engage more in peace talks. He speaks of knowing someone who never left his apartment for over 6 months for wanting to evade the draft.