Post by @mattwebbdev@veganism.social

2026-09-13 16:29 UTC

@ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social I don't do drama. I do conversations. I'm going to address the 2 things in your post, and I'm hoping we are able to have a respectful conversation after that. If that's not in the cards, I leave the conversation, block, and I move on. 1) When I say I won't be shitty, I say that as a vegan who has helped people start, and settle into their shift into veganism. I did it by not presenting negatives about their choices or beliefs, because that approach has never netted me any success. I believe a fair amount of people want to do what's right, they want to take care of themselves health wise, and they care about more than just themselves. I also believe that they are inundated with so much paid-for influence from propaganda, that they are pretty conditioned by what's been taught as "normal" in terms of their food sources. Also, anyone trying to help our planet as a whole is also being smeared in that propaganda as well; we are all having to go against that level of resistance as one person when talking to people who only know what they heard. I choose to be inclusive, informative, and supportive in my approach. It has worked more than it hasn't. And I will keep doing it, and adjust my approach when necessary. 2) This thing about feminism... what exactly is this about? Have I said something that implies that I am turning a blind eye to physical abuse outside of the people in my life?

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@ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social 2026-09-13 16:55

@mattwebbdev@veganism.social 1) a. I have also helped several people start and settle into veganism and I never shy away from pointing directly at the harm and calling out hypocrisy, self-serving rationalizations, logical fallacies etc. Am I being shitty by being direct? By calling people non-human animal abusers and murderers when those same conversations have led to them becoming committed vegans themselves? 1) b. I believe that you have had more "success" with convincing people to eat a plant based diet for their own sake, but then why would they stop buying honey or "animal-tested" products or supporting non-human racing or zoos/aquariums or just leather and fur products like just off the top of my head a badger hair shaving brush what is the benefit to the individual to avoid these things 1) c. You can't combat a poisoned well by toning down your advocacy that's exactly what the flesh propagandists want they want you to quiet down and stop taking extreme actions that might hurt their profits. "Injustice is never abolished by appealing to the sensibilities of the oppressor" At this moment we need more extremists not more liberal vegans and plant based dieters, the movement will continue to grow with or without you based on outreach strategy you have briefly outlined, but the radical flank of veganism is extremely small and can use all the help it can get. 1) d. Fundamentally veganism is a rights issue the focus should never ever be on how veganism can benefit humans, its ok to talk about it but to center vegan activism entirely around humans is literally de-centering the victim and plays right into speciesist narratives about how humans are the first priority and other animals exist for our benefit, except in this veganified version those animals exist to support the biosphere we live in rather than as a source of materials 2) see 1) d. , by not presenting the abuse of non-human animals in the foreground it gives implicit license to the abuse by implying that veganism is something that is for humans or even for the benefit of the individual framing veganism as an amoral position or a lifestyle choice. In much the same way that you don't get someone to stop physical abuse to humans by trying to convince them that it would be good for their mental health to be less violent. The problem in both human and non-human cases is either outright supremacism or disinterestedly profiting from others suffering while actively ignoring the harm so they can sleep at night #Veganism #Vegan #Speciesism #Veganarchism #Radicalism #Honey #Zoo #Aquarium #Leather #Fur #Supremacism

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