2026-10-19 04:55 UTC
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@darthelmet@lemmy.world 2026-10-19 14:55
I’d ask you to consider how we got here. Trump didn’t just fall from the sky and started wrecking things on his own. I could go into the whole history of the last quarter century and beyond, but to keep things simple, let’s go with a personal example: I live in an area I would describe as blue MAGA. They regularly vote (corporate) Dem at the federal level, although local politics is very Rep dominated. My rep is a multiple term incumbent Democrat who we have tried and failed to primary multiple times, including one election where I was directly involved in the progressive opposition campaign. As far as issues that enable fascism goes, they: Voted for more ICE funding and increased border security. Voted for increases to military spending. Voted to support Israel’s genocide. Participates in the war mongering around countries like Iran. To the extent that they had any issue with Trump’s recent war, it was a matter of poor execution rather than any principled stance against US imperialism. This matters beyond some lefty purity test. Stances like these and the policies they lead to help manufacture consent for these wars. Failed to press for congress to act on it’s constitutional responsibility to stop presidents from illegally starting wars. Voted on a Republican resolution to condemn the horrors of socialism at a time when right wing fascism is the dominant, pressing crisis in our country. I could go on, but you get the gist. They’re exactly the kind of Democrat we’re talking about who enables the fascists to do what they do. So… setting aside the fact that he’s probably in a safe seat anyway, what should I do come election day? Is voting for this person a vote against Trump and fascism? Is this harm reduction? Can I expect them to do ANYTHING to reign in this administration when they have not even tried to do so before? IF they’re not going to, what exactly is the benefit? And there are costs beyond what they will do in office. Incumbency comes with a pretty big electoral advantage. Continuing to support them makes it harder to unseat them later.
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@frisbird@lemmy.ml 2026-10-19 15:07
Yeah, I mean, you basically get it, you just think Trump is somehow special. Biden authored the Crime Bill, Clinton put it into law, they ruined millions of lives, mostly of black Americans. Obama/Biden and HRC created an absolutely massive crisis in Libya by funding, arming, training, and coordinating a terroristic “resistance” and then used NATO to bomb the most prosperous country in Africa into devastation where they now openly sell human slaves. The Ukraine situation requires you to imagine history started a few years ago - Bill Clinton openly and public wanted to include Russia in NATO, even after Putin took office. Hell, Clinton was instrumental in legitimizing Putin. The invasion of Ukraine is not something Trump caused and it’s not something he can end. If you have ever studied proxy conflicts like this one, the way you end the bloodshed is by surrendering and signing a treaty. The way you kill more people is by funneling more guns and mercenaries into the proxy. We’ve known this for decades. The US military literally justified some of its proxy wars with Youth Bulge Theory, stating that when there’s too many MAMs (military-aged males) that they could pose a threat to stability so it’s important to get ahead of youth bulges, create the conflicts before they become something we can’t control, and let the conflict kill off the youth bulge. The US is fucking sick. As for everything else you listed, there’s an equally deadly Democrat equivalent. The embargo on Cuba means that the Cuban vaccine that prevents lung cancer is completely unavailable in the US. Democrats have deported/repatriated more people than Republicans have over the last 25 years. And the reason those immigrants are coming to us in the first place is because of bi-partisan destruction of South American and African countries.
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@BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml 2026-10-20 03:08
Biden expanded the ICE concentration camps Trump took over from Obama, what an odd thing to mention. USAID was used as a front for the CIA and various regime change operations. They both massively hurt the environment, so I dont really care that one of them does not deign to do token gestures of goodwill. The war in Ukraine started under Biden. The war in Iran is bipartisan. The cost of living was already making people destitue and all Democrats had to say about it was that the economy was doing great. Healthcare cuts? The healthcare system has been abysmal forever and all dems did was pass a subsidy for insurance companies. Its not like the cancer research would save anyone but the wealthies in this nation. Food illness spreads now, which is terrible. It is correct that the current regime is worse administrators of minutiae.