2026-10-12 19:42 UTC
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@Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 2026-10-13 03:12
This is why I’m always confused when people get upset with me for not being “patriotic” or whatever. The state and country I’m born in is just dirt surrounded by water. I could not care less about it. It’s just where my mom plopped me out at. Everything else is arbitrary nonsense.
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@searabbit@piefed.social 2026-10-12 22:23
Then why are billionaires proud of their wealth when they were already born into it? I think an American Indian who is proud of keeping their cultural identity alive when countless others were lost to genocide has more right to pride than rich people who lord their meaningless “accomplishments” over others.
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@hperrin@lemmy.ca 2026-10-12 20:51
I feel like you can take pride in your country when your country does good things. Lately I’ve felt all of zero pride in my country… :(
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@truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 2026-10-12 20:03
It’s the last thing you can be proud of, if you have nothing else.
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@NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2026-10-12 21:26
There is a utility in having some national pride, in the same way as there is in having some pride in your place of residence. If you feel some pride for your home, you are more likely to invest time and resources in caring for and improving it. If you don’t care about your home you are unlikely to put any effort into taking care of it. Nothing is quite as long-term damaging to a nation as convincing its own people to think poorly of it. Personally I think a fair amount of the damage that the US is doing to itself now is a result of foreign influence campaigns repeatedly targeting the US’s worst international blunders. These criticisms are valid and true, but they are not the entire truth and the selective lense is intentional. A common response to self-loathing is a defensive, reactionary display of narcissism.
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@underscores@lemmy.zip 2026-10-13 05:02
it’s tribalism, and I hate to say it because people throw this phrase around touch but I genuinely believe it’s low IQ behavior
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@heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 2026-10-13 05:24
Because Americans have lost their national heritage through the “melting pot” so now they believe “I’m white” Or in the case of former slaves, had their heritage severed without consent.
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@Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2026-10-12 20:10
I agree with this, but I think we should have some kind of linguistic distinction between pride as in ‘I’m proud I’m not one of those inferior people’ and pride as in ‘I am not ashamed of my heritage’. Because having one word being used both ways has led to people with wildly diverging interpretations of the same sentence.
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@darthsundhaft@piefed.social 2026-10-13 00:08
I still cringe when people still seem to hold onto some notion that America is the greatest thing ever. I’m not even talking about MAGA. Like people foolishly still believe a war mongering state like the US should forever be known as the greatest thing ever. Like legit. In their eyes, no other country has come close and no other country does anything just as good. The US is the only leader in anything in their eyes. They make it so dramatic about how much pride they have in the country when they’ve been fed propaganda all their lives. lmao To them I say, it’s not about U.S. vs the rest of the world. It’s about us, the people, against the corrupt and the state. Like John Lennon says, “no country to die for”. It’s just about people man. Fuck the state. Fuck your borders bullshit.
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@gazby@lemmy.zip 2026-10-13 05:50
Propaganda
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@t_berium@lemmy.world 2026-10-13 06:27
In addition to what has now become boundless greed and the fact that one can and must make money from the news, all forms of nationalism and its degenerate sibling, patriotism, pose a fundamental problem for communal coexistence. As long as we do not see ourselves as a species hurtling through the void on a tiny speck of rock (a void that can kill us in the blink of an eye) nothing will change. As long as our self-image is not that of a single species, we will continue to think in terms of wealth, race, interests, and ridiculous lines on a map, thereby destroying at the very outset everything we could ever hope to achieve.