I still don’t know how someone looked at the trump administration and thought yes please 4 more years. I also understand that looking at biden and thinking 4 more years, no thanks. Because the people who say no thanks to both understand that those two options are not unique in any way and by doing the same thing again and again all you do is further entrench the system. They understand that in order to get something other than Rude genocide vs. Polite genocide you have to do something other than just perpetuate the system. They do it precisely because they don’t want four more years and the only way to get that is to foment change, which is not done by perpetuating the system. The same commentators who through introspection can say that socialist movements across the world need to work with the USA isnt a betrayal of the revolution seemingly cannot apply the same caveated analysis to the shinier of two turds in a two party system sounds like more American exceptionalism. This feels like a bit of a different discussion. The actions, motivations and needs of revolutionary movements engaged in military struggle around the world are different from that of the average US voter (as well as the average US leftist). You are also conflating “voting for a democrat or a republican” with “agreeing to receive support from the US.” It’s kind of vague, so I don’t really know what you’re talking about here and tbh it is not my area of expertise. I’m going to send a link to this comment to someone else, who might be better at answering, but I’d really appreciate more specificity. Can you say what socialists movement across the world are you thinking of and what socialist commentators are you talking about? From what I can think of: I know many people have critiqued the various Kurdish militias for cooperating with the US, the PRCs cooperation with the US during the sino-soviet split is seen by most as a massive black mark on that countrys history. In general though I’d say that people are more forgiving of foreign movements accepting US aid because the aid helps them further towards their goals, whereas someone voting for the democrats would, at best, do nothing. The way I view it, it would make things worse for the domestic leftist. I can’t speak on local politics. If you’re not voting for your “communist party of”, is this just virtue signalling? I am voting third party. Here is a comment I wrote about leftist not voting or voting third party that whole thread has many illustrativt responses. Here is another comment from the post, detailing my position Here is my comment from another post I would also recommend reading cowbees response in that comment thread.