@Tipa@gamepad.club Thanks for reviewing these. It sounds like both of them are just shy of the mark. Have you played anything in the Etrian Odyssey series? A party-based dungeon crawl, hard as rock and I think very much an evolution of the old Wizardry style of game. I've put a huge amount of time into them over the years. They were originally for the Nintendo DS and 3DS, but the first three have been re-released as "HD" versions on Steam and the Switch: https://atlus.com/etrianorigins/