2026-10-09 18:23 UTC
Replies (15)
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@VinegarChunks@lemmus.org 2026-10-09 23:03
How does a nonauthoritarian communist society handle a billionaire who buys up income-generating property and pays people to run it for the billionaire’s main benefit? Let’s also assume he pays people to be security guards for this operation.
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@nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 2026-10-10 03:20
Serious question: If there’s no money, what’s the incentive to work, if not punishment for not working?
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@FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 2026-10-09 22:58
Alright here’s my 2 cents. There exists an impossibly we’ll organized & funded ruling class. Our society broadly is uneducated or misinformed. How do people intend to reverse course without a very powerful form of authoritarian-leftism? Do we intent to reform our governments so radically without the use of authoritarian mechanisms? How do you get the average person on board with a communist society without striping the privileges the ruling class has almost always enjoyed? I’m in favor of radical reforms. Those reforms would necessitate authoritarian mechanisms geared against the ruling class and their consolidation of wealth & power.
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@psycholocomotor@lemmy.world 2026-10-10 03:28
Idk what communist movement you think is going to emerge pristine out of this horrific, traumatizing, wasteland of reality without being wrong in really terrible ways. A socialist or anti-imperialist movement does not have to be morally correct for me to back them. Class struggle does not have to be led by good people to succeed, they don’t have to have a correct interpretation of Marxism or be Marxist at all, they don’t have to not have corruption, and they will almost always carry reactionary baggage. In a lot of situations it’s not realistic or possible at all for any kind of resistance to capitalist exploitation, colonialism or imperialism to exist without all of those problems and more, but doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist, if they’re opposing capitalism, even if they’re doing it badly, I’ll support them. Also, yes, MLs shouldn’t do apologia for the things the USSR did or other socialisms did, they should state the truth clearly without discomfort. I’m kinda disillusioned with ML spaces on the internet, actually, because they really suck. It’s like a game to some people; a game about being right and not caring about fucking anything. It puts me off when I see like uncritical support of past socialisms as if they were perfect, which is impossible, and you’ll always end up being disappointed, which is the one of the points of this whole message, but it only serves to make them look like atrocity-denying historical revisionists to other people. Like the Soviets really did deport Tatars in trains, and really didn’t work to correct the colonialist past they inherited from the Russian Empire. However, the dissolution of the USSR and the throwing of its people to the wolves of finance capital was a humanitarian catastrophe for Eastern Europe and created a situation that even now is actually sickening to think about. It put into motion the fucking tragedy that is happening now in Ukraine plus all of the unseen suffering in the poor regions of what was the Eastern Bloc. The ex-Soviet countries are are perfect example of what losing looks like. Like I’m sure there are lurid, real crimes that Hamas, or Iran, or Ansar Allah committed, but I hope to god they don’t lose, because they’re fighting against the IDF and the American military and all of the bad things that the resistance has done cannot hold a candle to what the US and Israel have done. That’s how I feel about resistance to capital. Like you’ve gotta understand historical materialism and a lot more than just that, you have to keep trying to understand things for years to be good communist. I’m not a good communist. If you approach politics with the goal of having the correct hot takes, you’ll never want to understand anything. Just stop making hot takes, and look at the world.
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@JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2026-10-10 03:34
You’re both idiots in your own special way.
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@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2026-10-10 00:54
Some (most) of the species like to be dommed by a big daddy or mommy of one form or another. They should be free to live like the submissive Lil boogers that they are. We should be free of their pathetic attempt to get the parental figure they lacked in their formative years. Every commune wont be the same. Let them be wrong.
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@HocEnimVeni@lemmy.world 2026-10-10 01:43
Didn’t Marx warn of an authoritarian takeover of a people’s revolution and how that was no different than having a bourgeoisie?
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@queermunist@lemmy.ml 2026-10-10 04:18
I bet you’ll vote for a Democrat that calls me a “biological male” though.
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@Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-10-10 04:35
All governments are authoritarian at some point. Even anarchist communities theoretically will exert force on intruders by mustering up the people where they are, where they live.
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@commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-10-10 07:53
Being “cool with communism” for the vibes (that don’t even exist, every revolution is authoritarian) vs being “cool with communism” for it’s negation of capitalist mode of production
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@ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2026-10-10 09:00
For tankies, communism must be authoritarian, and the worst tankies will just prefer even actual fascism to “childish naivety of democracy”. Technically tankies are just the leftist version of your right-wing grandpa trying to convince you to finally grow out of leftism, except they’re overtly obsessed with “On authority” by Friedrich Engels.
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@Psythik@lemmy.world 2026-10-09 19:04
Can’t wait for the tankies to show up and once again try to defend bootlicking.
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@abc@suppo.fi 2026-10-11 06:51
Benevolent idiot vs malevolent idiot. Gotcha.
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@thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 2026-10-10 16:21
I struggle with the term “Tankie”. Who is a Tankie? What makes them a Tankie? What makes them so frustrating? This term feels so vague that it just makes it easy lump all leftists into the term. As far as I can tell, you’re a leftist if you’re not unpleasant to deal with and you’re a Tankie if I find you unpleasant. It sounds like some Boogeyman I’ve never seen or spoken to but I’m obligated to dismiss everything they say even tho I’ve never seen one.
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@peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 2026-10-10 14:51
Regardless of the system, it will always have PEOPLE running it. It will always be fucked.