@snaggen@mastodonsweden.se @jo@infosec.exchange @tante@tldr.nettime.org I would say more that there should be a separation, whether something works at technical level and whether it's a morally acceptable thing to do...in a perfect world... That said, irrational expression could still be effective. Somehow though I don't feel the shame even while accepting many of the moral tenets, so I'd guess not effective for people that don't. I think based on the Debian vote, most people have accepted this is the new reality that may get toned down a bit after the economic bubble bursts. Obviously there are many communities that are anti-llm too, like codeberg, so I may be wrong here, though OS communities do immediately see the harm of slop submissions from people, who do not even try out, what they submit etc. so they'd expected to be more anti-llm than norm YMMV.