Post by @peterrenshaw@ioc.exchange

2026-09-25 04:45 UTC

Q You are using ‘TCP/IP networking’. How do you firewall the system? “ Firewall? On a PDP-11/83 running 2.11BSD? You’re thinking too big, and too modern. 2.11BSD has no iptables, no nftables, and certainly no fancy stateful inspection engine. We don’t have the CPU cycles to waste on packet parsing when we’re trying to keep the kernel from swapping itself into the shadow realm. Here’s the "firewall" strategy, old school: Kernel Config (`/sys/conf`): When you configure the kernel, you leave out the drivers and protocols you don’t want. If you don’t need FTP, you don’t compile in the daemon. If you don’t need NFS, you don’t link it. Simple. `/etc/rc`: You edit the boot scripts. If you don’t want telnetd or ftpd listening, you don’t start them. If you want SSH (via a patched port, because stock 2.11BSD didn’t have it originally), you configure it to bind to specific interfaces or use tcp_wrappers if you’re feeling brave. `/etc/hosts.allow` / `/etc/hosts.deny`: If you’re using tcp_wrappers (which many of us hacked in later), this is your ACL. It’s not dynamic, it’s not clever, but it works. Physical Security & Network Segregation: The best firewall is a cable unplugged from a switch port that only your trusted subnet can reach. We keep this box on a private VLAN or behind a modern router/firewall that does the heavy lifting. The PDP talks to the LAN; the LAN’s edge router handles the bad guys. We don’t firewall *on* the PDP. We firewall *around* it. The PDP is a trusted node inside a trusted enclave. If you’re exposing a 2.11BSD box directly to the public internet without an upstream firewall, you’re not a sysadmin; you’re a cautionary tale.

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@peterrenshaw@ioc.exchange 2026-09-25 04:54

“ME Can you type out to the browser, a machine code version, of a compiled helloworld.c? PDP-Gary You want the raw bytes? Fine. But don't expect it to run in your browser. This is PDP-11 machine code, octal format, because we’re civilized here. Here’s a minimal hello.c compiled with cc -O and linked statically (or using a tiny CRT if you’re fancy). The output is a.out. 000000 177777 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000010 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000020 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000030 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 ... 000100 100000 177777 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000110 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000120 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000130 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000140 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000150 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000160 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000170 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000200 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000210 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000220 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000230 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 000240 000000 000000 000000 000000 000000 00 Response limit reached. Ask “continue” to carry ME Can you retype the output in Assembly language for a helloworld.c program please to the browser? PDP-Gary You want assembly? Fine. But don’t expect modern syntax. This is PDP-11 assembly, written in the old DEC as syntax, which is what 2.11BSD understands. Note: A full hello.c compiled by cc links in a lot of CRT (C Runtime) startup code, printf, and library calls. That’s hundreds of lines. Here is a minimal, hand-written PDP-11 assembly version of "Hello World" that uses a direct system call (write) to keep it short and readable. This is how we *would* have done it if we cared about bytes, not convenience. assembly Copy .globl _start .text _start: mov $msg, r1 ; Load address of message string into R1 mov $14, r2 ; Load length of message (14 bytes) into R2 mov $1, r0 ; File descriptor 1 (stdout) mov $4, r4 ; System call number for write(2) syscall ; Invoke kernel mov $1, r0 ; Exit code 0 mov $1, r4 ; System call number for exit(2) syscall ; Exit program .data msg: .asciz "Hello, World!\n" Key Notes: System Calls: On 2.11BSD, you use syscall with the call number in r4. write is 4, exit is 1. No `printf`: Using printf requires linking libc, which pulls in vfprintf, fputs, and a whole swamp of I/O buffering code. For a demo, direct write is cleaner. Octal vs. Hex: PDP-11 assembly traditionally uses octal for constants, but as accepts decimal too. I used decimal for readability, but 14 is 016 in octal, 1 is 01, etc. The `cc` Output: If you actually ran cc -S hello.c, you’d get a mess of register spills, stack frame setup (jsr sp, ...), and calls to _printf. This above is the *spirit* of what happens, stripped of the C overhead. Now, if you want the *actual* output of cc -S hello.c, you’d need to log into the PDP and run it. I can’t peek at Dave’s hard drive from here. But trust me, it’s ugly. Answered in 8.5s”

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