@deinol@dice.camp I appreciate Onyx Path for the same reasons. And I agree with you about the IP being mishandled by its corporate overlords. While I do think V5 does some interesting stuff mechanically, the lore changes just didn't feel right to me. I didn't even bother looking at Werewolf 5E and I am not sure I will check the 6th edition of Vampire. Thankfully I do have V20 of all of them if I ever get a group and we decide to play them.